Curse

DreamCatcher · May 28, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Today is a sad day for me in the Guildwars universe

My surviver was doing realy well, up untill Vizunah Square local.
Obviously, being a surviver, I have done my utmost to keep her alive. Sup Vivor, Extra health armor (got the armor just before the last major armor update), +58hp health staff, cupcaces and scrolls. Basically everything I could think of.

By testing on other characters and by asking questions to my alliance I'd also come to known that your /deaths count doesn't get changed by dying casued by missions failing or other scripted deaths. Also it's supposedly no longer possible to die during a cutscene.
However, after having succesfully completed Vizunah Square on my surviver and having seen her stay alive after the scriped rez at the ending cutscene I was absolutely gutted to see she still received +1 deaths on her /deaths count.

I'm perplexed to how this could've happened. I have heard some people skip after the last cutscene or even log out but (not taking into account that it's just plain retarded having to log out of the game after a succesfull mission just for fear of having your surviver die after having kept him/her alive during the mission itself) I wasn't sure when to have to log out. iirc the scripted death was simultaneously or right after the spear animation you get after having completed a mission.

Surely the scripted death shouldn't have gotten her killed as no other scripted death seems to do that. Nor did the rampaging minions killed her afterwards, Im sure of that.
Still I received a death...
Theres no way to change her secondary, for that I just have to do Vizunah sooner or later.

Even though she was still just level 19 I'd already put a LOT of efford into her (she already completed Dunes of Despair earlier that day and already had heroes) and pulled a lot of strings from friends/guildies to help my surviver out.
The way my surviver received her death is imo just plain retarded!

My question to Gaile/Arenanet is:
Why did my surviver have to die for no reason atall?

Pharell · May 28, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

This is an old problem who hasnt been solved yet. Should've asked for everyone to skip before entering the cutscene.

Crusheer · May 28, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

It sometimes happen there if u have MM in that mission. His minions will become masterless and will attack everyone in sight.
Well, its sad. Dont give up though.

DreamCatcher · May 28, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I did ask for everyone to skip and also said at the beginning of the mission that I was going for surviver. Also the rampaging minions didn't kill my surviver nor anyone else

RSGashapon · May 28, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

This is what now, the 1,000th thread whining about a Survivor death?

For all that planning you did, you forgot to read the part about minions becoming masterless in a cutscene if the master of said minions happens to die, by script or by mob.

Continue playing your character normally, or reroll and try again. Those are your options. I suggest the former since the latter, after Survivor title acquisition, will probably not be widely accepted into groups, being labeled as a Leaver or Quitter.

Tingi · May 28, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

that's what happened to my monk - I was trying for survivor. Didn't get it. Was a bit pissed off but there was nothing I could do about it so meh.

DreamCatcher · May 28, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

RSGashapon, I was well aware of masterless minions going rogues on you. As a matter of fact, that can even happen while you play your own MM and you die..your minions will go rampaging the rest of the team.

I also stated that I did not die during the cutscene but I'll asume you (tired of reading the 1000th survivor thread) simply overread.

I know my options..currently Im leaning towards not rerolling and risking another +1 death count for no reason yet I might try again on another character.

I started this thread for I'd like to have an answer to my question.
*Edit:@ Tan Blademaster, have you found a way to overcome this problem? Like it is now it's simply impossible to change secondaries on any canthan born surviver which is kinda frustrating*

RSGashapon · May 28, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Then what did your character really die from?

Onarik Amrak · May 28, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

If you already knew there were issues with deaths in Vizunah, why did you not earn your last level elsewhere before doing the mission?

Chalk another one up to the bug and people silly enough to fall to it again.

Kool Pajamas · May 28, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Dont do that mission? You can ascend and change secondaries in other chapters.

Gaile Gray · May 28, 2007, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Hi,

I'm sorry about the situation, and I'm afraid I have no answer now. You seem to have done what is required to retain the title, and of course it's impossible for us to "replay" the scene to learn exactly what happened step by step.

I will send this link to QA and ask them if there are any known bugs that may have caused this death. If there are, they will let me know and I can pass it along to you. If there are not, they can do a little digging to find out if there's something that we might change to reduce the chances of this happening again in the future. However, thousands of players have retained Suvivor after Vizunah Square, and we've not heard of the introduction of a new bug in recent days, so this bears a bit of examining before I can respond more fully.

DreamCatcher · May 28, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Thx for the quick reply Gaile

I know you can't replay what had happened during my Vizunah Square trip.
Im absolutely positive that the only time my character lay dead on the floor was in the beginning of the last cutscene (when shiro is visible), which was the scripted death, and also that the rogue minions didn't kill me nor anyone else.

Btw Kool Pajamas, I just went to the temple of balthasar...seems You're right, I could've ascended and changed my secondary there.
Shame I didn't know that beforehand but still that would've locked my surviver out of most of the factions content which (with skill capping in mind, and having the fun of playing through the campaign) isn't desirable.

Masseur · May 28, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

There is simply no way to know if the rogue minions killed or didn't kill you or anyone else, since there is no display of what they are doing during the cut scene. The only time this happens that has been reported is when a MM is in either party with minions still up when heading into the cut scene. No MM in the parties, no death. I personally have not heard of anyone dying without a MM in the party.

Emik · May 28, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

It has nothing to do with MM's either.
My guildleader and i have successfully completed that mission with an MM BUT we skipped the cut-scene so i have no clue as to what the reason is that you died.

Marth Reynolds · May 28, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

I did that mission 4 times on my surviver sin, (mostly rerolls

) and didn't die in it once when i had a MM with me.
Sure minions can kill the surviver during the cut scene, but they need to target you from the 16 allies there. might just have been a bug that made the storyline death count i don't know, just good luck on future attempts.

Tahlia Tane · May 28, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

It makes perfect sense to me. You die in the mission and get a rez in the cutscene.

undeadgun · May 28, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

srry to hear this, but good luck to you in the future

fenix · May 29, 2007, 01:34 AM // 01:34

I skip all cutscene's, so never had this problem :S

Cherno · May 29, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

You didn't answer the question about whether everyone actually skipped or not. You say you are sure they didn't kill you but don't know how you could be sure unless you all skipped before the death occured. Honestly this problem has been around since day 1 of the survivor title being introduced and all community testing has pointed to the minions being the cause.

Explain how you are sure that it wasn't them? You can only truly be sure of that if everyone skips prior to the scripted death occuring. Even closing out the window could leave the possibility of your character still holding the connection (reconnects addition from several months ago.)

Kook~NBK~ · May 29, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Sorry you lost your Survivor title because of this bug. When I went for my survivor title I stayed well clear of visunah square because of the possibility of dying during the cut scene.

ATTN GAILE GRAY: This is a bug that's been around for a long time. I learned about it from guildwiki 5 or 6 months ago when I started a character to get the survivor title: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vizunah..._%28Mission%29 (Skip down to the "bugs" section at the bottom of the article.)